Dr. Travis Parry (00:02.264)
Welcome to another episode of the balance show. I'm your host, Dr. Travis Parry. Today I get to interview a friend of mine. I've been featured on his YouTube channel, Mr. Jack Allweil. And Jack is a former actuary that is now devoted to exposing his audience to sound money principles as a land flipper and YouTuber. Jack, welcome to the show.

Jack Allweil (00:26.768)
Thanks so much for having me on Travis.

Dr. Travis Parry (00:28.722)
Absolutely. so fun to hear about your journey. I liked you to tell it in your own voice, but tell us how did you go from actuary to, you know, flipping properties and land and being on YouTube. Talk to us a little about your story.

Jack Allweil (00:46.608)
Sure. So I would say the big turning point in my life was 2016. This was my second actuary job. I had moved from Michigan to Charlotte, North Carolina, not knowing a soul. And at the time I had trouble staying in balance. I had trouble balancing my actuarial exams and then the new job and making friends in a new city. And unfortunately after about a year and a half I lost my job in 2016.

And at the time, you know, I could have kind of wallowed and sulked, but I decided, you know, while I was studying and working so much, I always complained I didn't have enough time to do anything. So what did do? I actually chose to go on a two week trip to Europe and what I now call my roots trip where I went to see where my grandparents grew up in what are Poland, Hungary, and I oddly enough met my now wife in Vienna, Austria.

And that trip was such an impactful time of my life for so many reasons, not just my wife, but I also started reading a lot on that trip. I was not a big reader. I like numbers and in school I just did not read. It must have been what they had us read because on that trip I had some time to myself.

And I started reading, I got really hooked actually at Auschwitz, the concentration camp. I had a bunch of like questions that just were coming in my head and I bought a couple books at the Auschwitz bookstore and started reading them. And I'm like, dang, I kind of like reading here. So then, you know, those World War II books morphed into soccer books. I always liked playing soccer. I read a lot of soccer books and then got into real estate and

Personal finance more but on that trip. I also realized I was in a fortunate situation that I had very cheap rent And had I not had super cheap rent, I would have been in some trouble perhaps So I said as soon as I got another job, I was gonna buy a house and run out the rooms and I ended up doing that in 2017 I house hacked in Charlotte, North Carolina and that was kind of the onset of my real estate

Jack Allweil (03:13.616)
Endeavors, I guess so I I went down the real estate rabbit hole with like bigger pockets and other books and Learn more about creative finance and ended up buying five more units in Michigan by where I grew up in 2018 through seller financing and and this is all I got another x-ray job at this time too, so I was working and Doing these rental properties and then I ended up

I just felt after I lost my job, my mindset really switched to like not thinking I had such a stable job like ever. And I was even questioning like, you know, this money that I've put into my 401k, like, is that really the best use? And I start thinking about it and like analyzing and trying to figure out what I'm actually optimizing for. So I, in 2021, I actually had elected to surrender my old 401ks and buy more real estate.

in Michigan and that one was easier because I had aggressively paid off the first five units. So then I was able to get traditional bank financing. But yeah, it's been a journey, I guess. then 2022, I thought the rent ratios weren't quite as attractive, but I liked real estate enough that I found this land flipping program through a guy named Mark Podolsky who goes by The Land Geek. And I took his class and then I just started flipping raw land in Apache County, Arizona.

So, and I've been doing that for a couple years now. I left my actuarial job in 2023, March, yeah, March of 2023.

Dr. Travis Parry (04:42.7)
Wow.

Dr. Travis Parry (04:51.265)
Wow. That's quite the story. You know, so many, financial professionals are bringing on the show. have just different kind of weaves of, paths that get them to where they're going, where they start never ends up where they are when I get to meet them. And so really cool story. mean, we could unpack, you know, talking about your roots. do want to ask some questions there. Is that all right? Can we talk about that trip?

Jack Allweil (05:16.752)
Sure, absolutely, absolutely.

Dr. Travis Parry (05:18.935)
How did that trip impact you as an individual to go and visit your roots? And the reason I asked, like, I am a firm believer in like understand your family history, understand where you come from. And a lot of times it shows up in like your money history, like how this affects you and your money. So there, there is a teaching point here that I, I get to a lot, but it also has impacted me as an individual growing up, knowing my roots from Denmark and Ireland and, and Wales.

many of which I've those places I've, I've visited and I'm taking my kids on a family history trip in just a couple of weeks to Scandinavia, where most of their roots are, with my wife and our backgrounds. We have a lot of family in Denmark and Sweden, Norway. Anyway. So, and one of the main reasons was because I wanted them to know what their roots are and where they are and have a tactile experience instead of like even just seeing it on a computer.

So I'm curious like how, you know, you kind of got into becoming a, you know, a reader, a geek, you know, reading all this stuff and then kind of translating to different industries, but how did that really affect you as an individual?

Jack Allweil (06:33.434)
I would say in the broadest sense it piqued my curiosity a lot. My grandfather grew up in Krakow in Poland and actually when he was born it was part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and it was a very eerie feeling for me to be in Krakow. I am Jewish. My grandfather was Jewish and luckily he fled.

before everything got bad, but there was already a lot of anti-semitism which got him and his family to leave and you know It was a love-hate kind of feeling for me because I was there and I actually really liked it. The architecture is very cool. It's kind of gothic looking and Quite quite frankly, I kind of thought, know, the the the the girls are pretty I was like I could have seen like living here like And I in some ways I felt robbed

And there's a lot of the old synagogue and Poland had the most Jews in the world. There's like three and a half million Jews. I think like three of them died during the war. And you see all these synagogues. There's still the old Klezmer bands playing in there. It's kind of like a relic. mean, it just yeah, it was I was torn like I was very upset on one hand, but kind of happy I was able to experience it.

Because no one in my family, actually my dad hadn't even gone back at that time. So no one in my family had actually gone to Krakow. And I was the first one to go to Auschwitz. And Auschwitz is just so mind-boggling how anyone survived. Because I was there in December. these barracks where they were housing Jews and gypsies and whoever was against the Nazis, the...

There wasn't much insulation. So if you didn't get a job in like the one of the inner quarters inside, you were a goner. I really, was, I mean, we, was snowing. We're walking through this. We're on like a three hour tour and I'm already like freezing. I'm like, how did anyone survive this? And so from that perspective, it was pretty emotional. That was definitely the most.

Jack Allweil (08:50.35)
the most emotionally charged I've been on any trip I've taken. So I guess that is, yeah, that's really the part that stands out. And then obviously meeting my wife in Vienna, which was cool, yeah, Poland really stands out.

Dr. Travis Parry (08:59.552)
Wow.

Dr. Travis Parry (09:07.274)
Yeah, absolutely. I can see, how, you know, as your, you know, understanding more about, know, what your family went through and how they survived and what they did to, you know, be resilient and how that created a path for you. And of course, meeting your, your sweet wife there like that, that has a big impact, right? I'll always be grateful for my alma mater where I met my wife there at BYU and it's just a

A a great thing for us to remember and always be like, Hey, that's where we met. And you know, that's, that's where old stomping grounds over here. did classes together and so super fun. That's great, Jack. so let's, let's jump into, you know, talking about, know, this is the balanced growth show. We talk about, know, the struggles you talked about, you know, the struggle with balance. And I think a lot of people, they think the balance is some kind of equilibrium with their time. I know it's not an equilibrium of time.

It is not work life balance. That's a myth. It is aligning your values and priorities with where you, know, where you invest your time and, you know, and, I hear often this idea of like, you can't be balanced at first. You've got to just be focused and laser, you know, focused on the business. And, so many people have a struggle with that only to find out five, 10 years later, they never really got their balance back.

You know, their relationships out of whack, their health is, is, failing. Talk to us a little bit about what you did to kind of get out of that balanced trap.

Jack Allweil (10:44.976)
I would say the the time that stands out to me is when I had failed the seventh actual exam for a third time. So I've passed all the actual exams now but the first five I kind of breezed through, the sixth one I had failed three times, the seventh one I failed three times before passing, and then the eighth one I think I failed twice but

On the seventh one, after I think it was the third failure, I really felt like my life was getting out of balance. And I used to play a ton of soccer. I had a hip surgery in 2014. So I got a little bit out of whack in that sense. Just kind of like losing some confidence in my body actually. But after that third actuarial exam fail, I was like, I think I need something physical.

Because I really value like, and I like being outside. I really liked training for things. And I was like, I think I need to like train for something again. for my, so leading up to my 30th birthday, I trained for a half marathon and to like prove to myself my body could like do it still. And like, wasn't like fragile. Like I think in my mind, I had gotten like a little fragile. And like by doing something physical and some of my friends thought I was crazy because I was like spending.

time during the week, like running long distances. But when I really thought about it, like when I broke down the units of time I was actually spending, I think it was less than the time I was spending like just going to the gym, but kind of just going through the motions, not really training for anything specifically. So I think that type of competition with myself and training for something physically helped me then be better when I sat down to actually study.

for my actuarial exam and be more focused in that time. So that's been one of the things, just staying active, because I do value that. And to your point, yeah, when your actions aren't aligned with your values, you feel, yeah, out of balance.

Dr. Travis Parry (12:38.272)
Mm.

Dr. Travis Parry (12:51.978)
Yeah. No, there's, there's lots of that. So it's shing is that's what I hear from so many people when they feel balances, because they're spending time things that they know they should be right. And it actually comes back to help them in their work. And so, you know, that's why I call this the balanced growth method, like be balanced and grow your business while in balance, because you're going to actually do better quality work when you're focused, when you're more fit, when you are able to.

control for the stressful environment you might be in because you're getting more sleep and you're spiritually charged. Right. And you have a, a great family and spouse that are supporting you. Like these things just, they oftentimes get overlooked as like, okay, when you're successful, then you can work on those. but it actually works in reverse and quite honestly together as, a, as a, a great duo here. Well,

Talk to us a little bit about what you've experienced, um, with, know, trying to help, you know, others create financial freedom for themselves. Um, you're going from actuary to, you know, flipping properties and, helping others invest. Talk to us a little bit about why, why did you make that move? Um, I know you said, you know, you were interested in it you kind of read about it, but what was, what was really the impetus to say, ah, this is the problem that I want to help solve for people.

Jack Allweil (14:17.104)
Well, think, well, quite selfishly, I saw an environment where I didn't feel like, and this is a lot of people probably feel like their wages are not keeping up with the pace of their living or the cost of their living. So my last pay raise, I think was like 3 % and that kind of...

That kind of like hurt me to my core. And I think my wife is going to do that now with her job. She's about to leave her job for a similar reason. that was part of the impetus to leave that, you know, if you work for yourself, you're kind of, you know, uncapped. And in terms of what I've viewed as helped.

get there, I would say the very first thing is track your net worth. I've never been like a big budgeter, but I am a big proponent of tracking net worth. obviously, I like to quote whatever gets measured gets managed. And you don't want to be so obsessed with some metric that you only optimize for that. I think it does help you.

get a sense of where you are financially. And when you have that at the forefront of your mind, other decisions start to align with increasing that. Or at least thinking about the decision of like, okay, I'm gonna give up this if I do X. So I think it just helps you make better decisions. See, I don't know if we wanna dig into that or, but.

Yeah, I'm a big proponent of tracking net worth.

Dr. Travis Parry (16:12.736)
Yeah. I mean, if anything that you want to change, it's, it's only worth tracking if you want to change it. Right. Most people won't track what they eat because they don't want to know. And the ones who want to change, you're like, I need to know every detail. If you want to change your, know, your family spending plan, I call it spending plan, not a budget. Then you got to track it. You got to know what you've done and you've got to see it for years.

Jack Allweil (16:20.826)
Mm-hmm.

Jack Allweil (16:25.156)
Yep. No, that's, yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (16:40.268)
Not just a week. You need to see it for years. Like you can see the path. You know, if you want to grow your business, track your results, track what you're doing, track your customers reviews. It's tracking is, huge. Couldn't under, uh, you know, uh, state that. Um, so, so thank you for bringing that up. Um, talk to us like, what's, what's your formula for, for flipping homes or properties? Like,

Everybody has a different bag. mean, Grant Cordon has his thing. Kiyosaki has his, there's others out there that have, you know, ways to invest in real estate and everybody has their own secret sauce, but you don't have to give us all your secrets, but tell us, you know, what, what's your formula for, for really solving for that.

Jack Allweil (17:24.922)
So what I'm flipping currently are what most people would call desert squares in Arizona. So they're pretty uniform parcels. And what I'm doing is I'm sending out mailers to out of state owners with the thought that those owners are probably not as attached to the property emotionally as others that would be living close. So that's the thought of sending the mailers. And I've really liked the quote.

Fast nickel is better than a slow dime in the sense that I've been kind of operating on volume for these parcels whereas some people maybe try to buy What many would consider like more luxurious plots of land And sit on them for longer maybe have a bigger payout at the end but I'm kind of operating on volume in these desert squares and it's it's

Much easier, would say, to do the underwriting because they're so similar. So I've gotten very comfortable with a very specific part of Apache County, Arizona. And Apache County is the sixth largest county geographically, but I only may on these two very specific parts in the North. So I would say it's just about getting very comfortable with an area and understanding the area and what types of people would want to own that land. And like, for example, like I went out there.

last summer to talk to some of the locals. And it's one thing to like look at it, like look at parcels on a computer, but like to like actually talk to people and understand like, okay, what do you guys do for water? Because like a well would cost like a hundred grand to drill at this altitude. like, you know, most of them participate in a water co-op where they take their tanks to the community well close to the highway and they have to fill up their tanks for their water.

So just like understanding those types of things and what drives those types of people to operate the way they do, I think is invaluable.

Dr. Travis Parry (19:28.831)
Wow. So you're basically flipping a vacant land in the middle of nowhere, by sending mailers of all things. like some, the mailer isn't dead. That's what you're saying.

Jack Allweil (19:42.468)
Mailers, not that. So typically I'll send mailers to buy and then once I get a parcel, the first thing I'll do is I'll send neighbor letters. And these I do like personally. The sending out to buy is more automated but these neighbor letters I send out personally and basically saying, know, I own the plot of land next to you. I'm looking to offload them and I'm willing to give you a slight.

Dr. Travis Parry (19:51.499)
Mmm.

Jack Allweil (20:11.78)
discount to retail and let me know. That's basically how it goes. And then the ones that I don't sell, a lot of times what I'll do is I'll bundle a bunch of these desert squares together and sell to other investors at like a wholesale price which is typically like around 50 % of what they could get in the retail market.

Dr. Travis Parry (20:32.459)
Wow. Smart. That's smart. So as, you're, you know, this is a very niche market, right? This is not something quite honestly, before I met you, I already even heard of, you're not the first one, first person to do this. know that, I have heard of a real estate investment trust REITs that invest in property that's typically, going to be developed, you know, in developing areas.

That's not this though, right? This isn't developing areas. This is just squares of land.

Jack Allweil (21:05.828)
Not, it's squares, I'd say there's a few buckets people fall into that would want to buy these. It's a lot of off-gridders, people that want a plan B type of spot. There's people that maybe just like the idea of out west and the freedom that they kind of have in their mind. They might want to build a home in the future. There's people that use it as recreational, like driving their four-wheelers on or camping. Then there's...

like investors or what I would say the people that have like a slightly libertarian tilt to them that want to just save and land instead of dollars. Just a way to diversify.

Dr. Travis Parry (21:48.938)
way to diversify the portfolio that they have to, to just invest for a rainy day. mean, look at Vegas, talk about plots of land, middle of nowhere. but it's, it's, you know, it can completely change landscape in the last few decades. So I can totally understand that. what, what else is involved in this? I mean, is there any other long-term strategies?

Jack Allweil (21:56.1)
Yeah.

Jack Allweil (22:00.1)
Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (22:15.179)
Do you try and find cities like a Vegas or in the middle of Arizona that, you know, that are, are, going to be worth more in the future? yeah, talk to us about how, how you might diversify your approach to.

Jack Allweil (22:29.808)
I mean, the thing is right now, I would say, I mean, I'm not really like a stock trader, but I would say I approach it more like a trader type in the sense that I know I have bought like, and I've developed some connections where I know I have buyers that will buy from me at a certain price. So I'm kind of like, I don't care as much about the longterm right now.

because I can make those quick buy sale. Like, you know, sometimes within days of me buying it. So I think I approach it right now a little bit more as like a trader would in the sense that I, mean, I don't really, I mean, it seems to be a good area. I mean, I've been in there. People are nice. This is very close to I-40, so very close to the highway. So it seems like a decent spot.

But in terms of like I mean, yeah, like fundamentally like if you were to do an analysis I bet you would come up with many better counties but right now like like I said, I I feel like I approach it more like a trader until I don't have the buyers that tell me they're willing to buy I'm not gonna change counties and I I try to just block out the noise from because

I feel like a lot of times people have a tendency to find like another shiny object to go chase after. And like I've spent a lot of work like learning and talking to the people in the Apache County Recorder's office. So I feel like I do have a slight advantage right now in the sense that I've talked to so many of these people. Like I know some of them, their first names and they know me. So I feel like I have an unfair advantage in some ways with that county.

I just try to block out the noise and because a lot of people will come to me saying like, look, what do think of this county? What do think of that county? Like, and I, for now I'm trying to just block it out.

Dr. Travis Parry (24:24.171)
Hmm.

Dr. Travis Parry (24:34.111)
Yeah. So what might be some of the pitfalls or problems that, you know, people have told you about trying to get started investing in these types of properties. Like I know for me, wait, what? Like, you know, I don't know the area or I, I don't know the neighbors and I don't know what, you know, taxes and laws might be in those areas. What other, whether issues might come up that, that people struggle with,

taking this approach.

Jack Allweil (25:06.458)
Well, I think early on, if you don't have someone that kind of shows you the ropes, might. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of questions. Like, I mean, how do you even make a deed? How do you make an affidavit of property value? Like, these are things that I actually make on my own now where I don't need like a lawyer. And like one of the reasons I have flipped in Arizona is because it's very online friendly. Because I remember early on when I was trying to identify a county.

I was looking at Izard County, Arkansas, and one of the things I was butting up against was it seemed like you had to pay for every single type of search you wanted to do to check chain of title to, and I think you might've even needed a lawyer. Actually, I take that back. There are certain states where you need a lawyer for every real estate transaction. Whereas like Arizona, I could do all the chain of title search online.

It's very online friendly. You can even upload the deeds, which I do now online. So it's very good. at the time I was, my wife is Austrian and so we were spending significant time in Austria. So I needed to have it be a county that it could accommodate like if I'm going to go away for a while. So those types of things could be, you know,

Perhaps challenges getting started and pricing is I would say pricing is very hard because a lot of times these At least the parcels I'm doing aren't Sold through agents. They're not on the MLS So it's sometimes hard to get comps and it's hard to price them appropriately So those are the things that take some time getting used to and learning the different land sites that you can go to try to get comps and

Perhaps looking through the records to get actual comps, that's yeah, it takes time and it takes some fortitude.

Dr. Travis Parry (27:08.554)
Yeah.

Dr. Travis Parry (27:13.418)
I understand. I assume you provide some of that mentoring and coaching to help people do this type of investing.

Jack Allweil (27:23.12)
I mean I've helped people occasionally and I sell some tools that help with the analysis. Like I have like for example like an Excel rubric to automate PDF creation for neighbor letters. So you don't have to like go and manually update names and parcel numbers and addresses. So it can you know it's like a Excel file and

Dr. Travis Parry (27:30.676)
Talk to me about those. Yeah, tell us about them.

Jack Allweil (27:48.206)
You load the names, addresses, parcel numbers, and then click a button and it creates all the PDFs for you. And I also, my time is in actuary, I learned a lot in Excel and I like helping people, back to that quote, a fast nickel is often better than a slow dime. Trying to figure out the returns, like for example, if I buy something for like two grand, am I better off just flipping it for three grand in a month or waiting?

six months to sell it for 6k. Like I have workbooks that help do that analysis and help you make better decisions I think long term.

Dr. Travis Parry (28:29.704)
Nice. love that you're providing some solutions so people can, you know, that are interested in might be able to streamline this process a little bit faster or help them, to, not make the same mistakes, probably that we all make at the beginning of doing anything. Right. That's w that's wonderful. what in those workbooks, you know, what are the two, three things that they should do at first? Like, what are the, what are the first couple of things that if you're interested in something like this to begin, you know, investing

Jack Allweil (28:42.948)
Yep. Yep.

Dr. Travis Parry (28:59.782)
In, in, in land flipping, what should they start doing first and second and third.

Jack Allweil (29:04.696)
I would say the first step would be to identify a county. And it could be for, I mean, you don't have to, it doesn't have to be a county like you would per se want to like go live in or want to, but a lot of people have found it helpful if it's a place they actually like. Cause then they kind of an excuse maybe to go there at some point, learn more, invest their time to learning the county, learning the land.

learning the roads. And so I'd say county identification. And that also goes to with what I said with what states are like online friendly or and I think like some of the Carolinas like you need like an attorney for the transaction. So that would be like another thing you'd have to think about. It's not to say like you don't you shouldn't flip in the Carolinas. But if you're going to you need to line up some attorney and factor that into your pricing.

So there's enough meat on the bone when you go to flip it. So you're actually making money. I would say county selection. There are some ways you can kind of, what I would say like test out counties. I don't know if this is just some of the groups I like kind of roll in, but there's a phrase we use called land arb. And it's basically where you can purchase a partial of land from someone.

at like a wholesale price but on a terms deal. So like maybe retail, you might sell it to some retail person for $100 a month for 48 months. Well maybe you go to another investor and say, I landarb this parcel from you for $50 a month? And maybe that other person just wants to get some cash coming in. they say, yeah, I'll sell it to you $50 a month. And then you have

control of the land and then you can go sell it for $100 a month and then you know keep that that net $50 a month so that that would be a cheap way to get control of parcels so you could land our you know in Klamath County, Oregon and then some in Navajo County and Apache County and kind of take a little bit in all these different counties and get a feel for how each county operates how the deeds are recorded and how online friendly they are

Jack Allweil (31:30.306)
in the process, maybe learn more about the zoning and restrictions and you can kind of feel out the different counties that way. That would be the low expense way to get a feel for many different counties early. And I honestly didn't do that a ton starting out, but now that I've heard other people do that, that's probably what I would have done going back.

Dr. Travis Parry (31:52.882)
Nice. I love that. Anything else you would say after finding the right County and really narrowing that in.

Jack Allweil (32:00.546)
I would say be very patient a lot of the mailers I I mean you might not get any response for I mean it could be months I mean my response rate in 2024 just to give you a feel was only it was slightly south of 1 % and I had in my like I do an analysis at the end of each year and I was mailing the two

two counties that were, sorry, two parts of Apache County that I thought were pretty similar. So I priced them similarly, but there was this one section where the prices had actually gone up. So my offers looked less attractive at that point. So the response rates in this one part were much lower and that was dragging down my whole response rate. Certain areas can be very price sensitive and...

And it could also just be blind luck in the sense that I send out a mailer, let's say I don't hear for 70 days, and then I start getting a lot of responses from that same mailer. And then, like in my mind, I'm thinking, what probably has happened there is someone else mailed that same area at a much lower offer price. And now all of a sudden, my offer looks better. And that is why I'm now getting these responses.

So sometimes there's variables working that you can't really control and that's why it's important to be patient. And I often will re-mail areas. So I might send out a mailer and then I'll redo what I call my price matrix where I comp out the areas again to see if prices have changed much in like three months. And then I'll re-mail the same areas and adjust the price if I think.

So then those people can say like, this offer is slightly higher than what you sent last time. There's been a, I did a test one time, just slightly lower, and just to see if more people responded. And they're like, hey, what the heck? You're now offering me less money? But yeah, you can do all sorts of experiments with the pricing and marketing and...

Jack Allweil (34:22.158)
Yeah, there's a lot involved, but don't get discouraged if your responses aren't good early. But I would say like, reevaluate your pricing more frequently when you're starting out. So you don't waste like six months of mail and send out like 5,000 mailers and get like no response. Like hopefully you'll be reassessing like maybe monthly in the beginning and then maybe.

after a couple years maybe you just have to do it like quarterly or half a year.

Dr. Travis Parry (34:54.442)
Yeah. You know, this is the patience is a virtue as they say. Right. And I think growing a business, having a great formula for success, and then trying to be patient on, on the process, uh, too often as a business owners and investors, we try to jump in and we try to steady the arc, so to speak, when it's not working the way that we think it needs to be too soon, um, because we're not seeing the results, but yeah, I, man.

This is a very intriguing, interesting way to, you know, diversify to flip, maybe, you know, make a living doing this, right. And, finding the income from these properties. fantastic. If, if others are interested in, and, you know, trying to find some financial freedom, or diversify their, their portfolios with some land flipping, where can they go to learn more about you or the workbook that you were talking about to help them get started?

Jack Allweil (35:53.616)
Yeah, mean, if you want to reach out to me, the most active place right now is on X. I'm at Jack underscore all while. And then on YouTube, I also post videos on, I have like a playlist called, I think it's called Land Flipping. And I'm at Jack all while on YouTube.

Dr. Travis Parry (36:16.009)
Wonderful. Thanks for being here, Jack. Thanks. Anything last here that you would like to say about, know, your journey and what you do to help people with landflipping, anything that you'd like to end with here.

Jack Allweil (36:28.34)
I would just say my general message to people would be be a little more relaxed in the sense like follow your passion projects. Don't try to push down your gut feelings. Follow your gut and pursue some passion projects. I think long term that is the way to real success.

Dr. Travis Parry (36:56.051)
Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I mean, that's, that is definitely, there's a lot of investors out there who can talk about this, right? who say, follow, follow your passion. Learn about what it is you really, really enjoy and invest in that. And he, know, you're going to spending a lot of time, so might as well do something. Enjoy. Thanks for being on the show, Jack. Thanks for talking about how, you know, business owners can, can grow, grow their wealth, grow their financial freedom, diversify.

with land flipping and for being such a great guest on the show, appreciate you.

Jack Allweil (37:30.65)

​Thanks so much, Travis.