Welcome to another episode of the Balanced Growth Show. I'm your host, Dr. Travis Parry. Today we have Larry and Sue Pruett. They've been married for over 35 years and are parents of five adult children. They've been entrepreneurs for over 20 years with the last 12 plus years being full-time. Their business and marriage coaches who help married entrepreneurs build the business of their dreams side by side and here they are.

It's studio with me, albeit virtually, side by side. Um, I love it. Thank you guys both for being here and being so willing to share your knowledge and wisdom with our group.

Oh, thanks so much for having us. We really appreciate it, Dr. Parry. Yeah, thanks.

Absolutely. Yes. Well, I'll let you guys tell your story. You know, I know that you're married 35 years, but you're helping couples now to build their business as married couples. Tell us, how'd you get here? What's your story? Um, I'll let you guys decide who wants to tell that, or, you know, if it's, if it's me telling the story, then my wife likes to jump in and, and it gets all fun and messy like that.

But that's the beauty of marriage. So I'll turn it over to the two of you.

Yeah, that's normally how we do things. One of us will start and the other will just jump in. So I'm color commentating. That's right. Yes. And, and you know, we could go all the way back and just say that we were born at very young ages. Oh. Um, but seriously, our story goes all the way back to whenever, um, I was a baby, alright.

Believe it or not. And I had. One of those grandmas who is just a praying grandma. And um, and from the time I was born, she was praying for Sue. Mm-hmm. Uh, she was praying for my future wife and. As you fast forward and we met in college, but uh, we realized at some point that Sue was married. Sue was born nine months and four days after I was born. So Sue was literally, has been prayed for from conception, but uh, we just know that the Lord brought us together. And, um, and along the way, as you mentioned, we've, we've raised five kids together. Um, and uh, the last, it's been about 21 years ago that we sold our first thing online and we kind of start that, started that entrepreneurial journey and you wanna pick up the story from there?

Yeah. We really didn't think that we were entrepreneurs, uh, when we first got together. And, um, but one of the things that we experienced from the time that we were dating really was there was so much discouragement aimed at us around marriage. were warning us when we were engaged that we were gonna be miserable once we got married.

Once we got married and we were still happy, people were telling us we were gonna be miserable once we'd been married for a year, and it just kept going for a while. And finally people gave up because we were still happy after many years, but that just put a fire in us. The Lord used that to really put a fire in us to want to help other couples experience a good. Christian marriage like to, to understand what it, what it could be like. And so that has always been at the heart of everything we have, uh, done. It's been something that we've done, kind of on the side. We've done it in our church teaching Sunday school classes, and in the last few years, the Lord has opened the door to let us be able to actually coach, uh, couples and help them to discover how to have a thriving marriage and business at the same time. We know they can put pressures on each other and that can become something that is, is a difficult, uh, thing to navigate. But that is really what has brought us to where we're at now, helping couples build the business of their dreams side by side. Oh yeah. Side by side. Thank you. Can't forget that.

Excellent. What would you say, um, you know, to this topic of business pressure? Her and you know, working together. To, to make those dreams come true side by side. Talk to us a little about, you know, not, not just, Hey, this is a marriage that, not, not that I would ever say a normal marriage, right? But, um, you've, you add business to the mix and it adds additional pressure, it adds additional stress.

Um, there obviously there's. There's offsets to it. Um, you know, there's hopeful freedom and financial gain and a lot of other things, but, uh, especially initially there's always that, uh, perception of added stress. So talk to us a little bit about what do you think the biggest issues are? Um, with, with married entrepreneurs, I.

I know that for us in our experience, as we began to move into entrepreneurship and as Larry came home from his day job and then we were full-time entrepreneurs together, running a business together, one of the things that we really ran into was it was very difficult for me to figure out. is my role supposed to be as a business owner compared to what my role has been as a wife and mother for all this time?

Because we've been married for a long time before this, and so we had a relationship that was really well defined. felt like we were following scripture's guide really clearly on roles at home and, and what we did there. Um, and, and the place that we had in, in our marriage. But when we, when it came to business things, we started kind of tripping over each other a little bit and, uh, we realized I had some strengths that could contribute to the business in a way that I wasn't really expecting.

And Larry really had to do a lot to kind of pull that outta me. Yeah, for sure. And, and specifically I think, um, what you're referencing is managing people. Yeah. Um, just as, just one example mm-hmm. Is that, um, at, at one point we had a warehouse with employees and primarily, uh, our income stream has been e-commerce, um, and coaching.

And then it's led into what we're doing now. But, uh, so we had a team of people and. You know, I've had a lot of experience in management over the years, and that's what my day job was, and I hated it. And, and I realized that, um, for our business, we didn't necessarily have to, um, I didn't necessarily have to be the one doing that, and I realized that. Sue has some, some strengths in that, just personality wise and, and just, uh, practicality wise. And so at some point we sat down and just had that discussion and a discussion about like, this is just draining me. Um, and I don't feel like I'm doing a very good job at, at it. And so, you know, just kinda working through all that was, was super helpful for us. And we just realigned some of the roles within the business then. Mm-hmm.

Do you find that other married couples struggle with the same thing more or less, that there's some role. You know, redefining, uh, you know, as you were saying, Sue, that as you're joining that business, there's also probably even some sound like, uh, maybe not power struggle, but probably of like, well, okay, now we're working together.

Are we equal? Do you work for me? You know, he started first and now I'm joining. Um, talk to us a little bit about the couples that, that you have coached and helped to work together about some of those struggles there.

Yeah, definitely. That. That's something that become it. It can become a power struggle. I know for us it was, it was that I don't, I don't know that we ever felt like we were fighting each other. We always talk about. Facing everything side by side. Like, you face your problem and your problem is the thing to work on, not your spouse. And so, um, we, we really, uh, wanted to have that, that tactic. And so as we have worked with other couples, they have, you know, there, there's oftentimes that, that the figuring out your new role in the business is something that has to be dealt with really, frankly, and really forthrightly. And so, I mean. Everything that you ever hear about keeping a relationship, a marriage relationship good, is gonna feed into keeping your business relationship good. You have to have clear communication. You have to be honest about what you're thinking and feeling. You have to speak truth when you see, I think this is an issue and we need to take.

Take care of this, or we need to approach this a different way. And I know that, um, one of the things that happened with us early on when Larry first came home was we had different expectations about what was gonna happen. I had to approach him and I remember, you know, I had to really get his attention because he was kind of oblivious to some things that were going on at the moment, on purpose.

And I knew that, but, um, I, I just had to say to him, in fact, I think I used the phrase, I'm about to break and we need to make some changes. And so. Um, I think that that's something that we have helped other couples do is facilitate important conversations so that they can confidently move forward in their own business and marriage and know that we're gonna be able to do this in a way that's healthy and successful for the business and for our marriage, and have both of them thrive. And, and I think I would just add to that it, it is almost universal with the couples that, that we work with. Um. And those roles will change over time also. And as long as both parties are on board with that, that, that makes sense and kind of the example we gave earlier. Um, but not just the responsibility of, of having that, but also the authority of that role. um, just making sure that like, this is. This is my lane, this and that is your lane. And we, there's gonna be some crossover, you know? Mm-hmm. Just because of how business and life is. But for the most part, in within my realm of responsibility, I get to make those decisions and, uh, we don't have to discuss those things. And obviously on bigger decisions, we're gonna discuss those things. Um, we're not gonna make any major finance decisions or something like that individually. Um, but there was an example not long ago as we were, we were doing a transition, we were actually moving, um, from one location to another. And, and there was, because it were e-commerce, we had a lot of products and, and such.

And, and Sue was saying. And this was her realm by the way, that she was asking me to kind of come in and she was saying, what about this thing? Is it all right if I, if I do this with it? And I was like, yeah, that's fine. You know? And then she came back a second time, and I think it was maybe the third time.

Mm-hmm. I just said, really, seriously, I trust you. Yeah. You don't have to come to me with these small decisions. And matter of fact, please don't. And I just wanted her to handle that and have the authority along with the responsibility there. And I think one of the things that we teach that has, I think, been very helpful, we've gotten a lot of comments on this.

One, is, um, when it comes to big decisions, we have decided to give each other. We both, the way we say it is we have a 51% vote each of us do. And what that really boils down to is we each have veto power. so if we're talking through a bigger decision, if either one of us is really uncomfortable with it, it's okay for you to exercise your veto power and say, I really don't think, you know, most of the time it's, I don't feel like we're supposed to be doing that yet or right now. And, um, knowing that. both have that power to put a stop to anything that we're super uncomfortable with, I think has helped us in that risk taking realm that you have to adopt if you're gonna be a, an entrepreneur. I think it has helped us move forward in that a little bit easier as well, because we know. Just because we make this one decision now doesn't mean that we have to go down a whole road at any point. We can, either one of us could put a stop to it if we get really uncomfortable with it. And so we have taken some really big, of, um, audacious steps in, in business that, um, other people have commented.

They looked really scary, but were like. But we're thinking, yeah, but I can put a stop to it anytime I have to or anytime I feel like I need to. And honestly, we don't exercise it very often. I think it's been exercised twice in the 21 years we've been married. So it's not something we use a lot. We don't use it as a battering ram.

Right.

I love that. That's so good. Veto power. You know, um, most of what I'm hearing from you guys is. Hey, couples tripping over each other. They're confused about maybe managing things together. There might be power struggles, conversations, communication, decision making. I. It seems like what I'm hearing is if we lump this all together is communication, right?

A lot of this is is communicating, decision making, uh, all kind of all together. Would you say that that is the, some of like, like is that the biggest problem that most of these couples are facing or is there something even is equal or greater than that? Or, or, talk to me about, talk to me about that.

I really think that that probably is one of the biggest, uh, issues and one of the biggest factors. I mean, it's an issue. We see it in in society today. People have a hard time talking to each other, honestly and frankly. so helping couples, uh, learn to do that, I. Super important, um, because we know if we can help facilitate that, that we, that everything else will kind of blossom from that.

And one of the things that we really work on is helping them develop a solid family mission statement.

Nice.

can develop a solid family mission statement that sets a lot of boundaries in. in their life if, if they know what their purpose is as a family. Um, and of course we work with, with couples who work together.

So if they know what their purpose is as a family, decision that comes before them can be filtered through that mission, pur purpose, that mission statement. And it can help them very easily make a lot of decisions because it shows them what's out of bounds for them. And so a lot of things that come along. Can look really good, but if you know what your mission is, know right away if it's out of bounds for you and it's really easy to say, you know what, we're gonna do something else, say

Yeah.

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Nice. This is so good. Oh, I was, uh, let me, lemme just ask this, Larry, uh, let me jump in and then I'd love to hear from you as well. Um, you are mentioning family mission statement. Let's talk about your framework. Let's talk about how you now help them to overcome these communication, you know, um, role and power struggles, uh, you know, decision issues.

You, you talked a little bit about some techniques with veto and now mission statement. So let's, let's walk through, tell us, um, what. What your frameworks are. You know, what, what are your four or five, six points or, or, I'm not sure how many points you might have of, of, uh, of, of each of these. And then, um, you know, you don't have to explain everything, all the details, but give us just some, some quick overview of that.

And, uh, and then, and Larry, if, if you wanted to jump in on that, then we can jump into to the frameworks.

Yeah, actually, uh, that'll, that'll segue perfectly into that. Um, we have what we call the two, two four pathway that we walk our, um, clients through. And so that's, we came up with that framework name because of Genesis 2 24 that talks about having a one flesh. Kind of marriage. And so basically we start with the two individuals, the husband and wife, and getting to know each other better.

And there's a lot of, we can go into a lot of that if you want, but, uh, those two individuals and then with two insights. And one of those is clarity, one of those is connection. that was kind of the point that I was making just a minute ago when we're talking about communication. Um, connection is really the important thing that a husband and a wife need. But communication is, is what is necessary for that. So that's why communication is so important, is because it leads to better connection, uh, for that couple. So you got the two individuals, the two insights, and that leads to four impacts, uh, that we, that we teach and that we walk our, our couples through.

And again, we can, we can dig into that as far as you want, but that gives you the overarching framework, uh, that we take couples through.

Why don't you, why don't you summarize each of those points, um, and either one of you are able to do that. Go ahead and give, give some, just a couple of points for each one of that. 2, 2, 4. I love that. Um, and I'm, I'm chuckling over here 'cause, you know, social media takes these things and blows out of proportion.

A really funny meme about, you know, um. About Adam and it's, it's, it's like, Hey, God, I'd, I'd, I'd like this out of a woman. He's like, well, that'll cost an arm and a leg. He's like, okay, fine. Then just gimme someone that's gonna help me through life. He's like, okay, that'll be your rib. You know? And it's kinda like this idea of like, it's it's side by side, like literally side by side.

And I know it's figurative, it's the Bible. You have to understand this is figurative, however. However, this idea that it God, um, could use anything that it would be side by side shows equality. Although different shows, equality

Mm-hmm.

that we are not in front of or behind.

Right,

Or greater or less than. It didn't come from the head or the feet didn't come.

Um, from the back of the front, it was the rib the side. So I actually, I really love, um, how you guys have developed your, you know, your framework. Not, not just as a marketing thing, but

Hmm.

I. As your framework that you know, because that has become, you know, leave man, become one, one flesh and, uh, leave husband or leave father, father and mother, right?

And become one flesh. And that, that happens by becoming equal and, and being on that same page, which is what I'm all about. So I, I love this. So I'll let you guys talk a little bit more about the 2, 2, 4. And then maybe, if you would, what, what's the, what's the most important concept, um, that, that would say, you know, out of, out of that framework?

What, what's the most important concept that couples really should, should focus on?

Yeah. So as, as we kind of picture this, you know, we think about the couple walking down this pathway and, um. And becoming side by side or more side by side even, because we're all on a journey, right? So, uh, so we kinda think about that, that picturing and, and these kind of being steps along the way. And so in many ways, the first one is the most important one, and that is to have a clear margin and, uh, um, clear margin and focus.

Mm-hmm. So to know where you're going to know what you, you know, what your. Um, what your path is going to be, uh, making sure that you are, um, uh, that you are focused. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don't know how else to say that, you know, but that's, that's really what that first step is about. then we've got, uh, casting a mission Casting a mission foundation, and that's kind of what you were talking about earlier with the, the family mission statement and to have that set aside. So you've got the. Uh, we like the picture there of like the baseball field with the foul poles, and you can see that, um, most of the balls are, uh, most of the, the stadium, the space mm-hmm.

Is, is out of bounds. It's a foul territory. Right. And so that helps us to focus, help us to avoid the shiny object syndrome. Um, and just jumping from thing to thing. and then we have, one of our steps is confidently moving forward. And so making sure that we have. Systems in place. This could be budgeting, this could be, um, it's gonna be your roles in the business.

Roles in the business. Yeah. Who's gonna do what So that, you know, what is my area of, um, authority and therefore my area of, of, um. Uh, control mm-hmm. In the business. I couldn't think, I couldn't put that word outta my head. Yeah. Um, but yeah, just the, what, what's my area of control? What's my area? What are the areas that we need to, you know, talk, work with each other on how do we, you know, make plans for the business? And then with that, with that mission statement, the business purpose statement is really gonna flow out of that, right? So you, you need to have a family mission statement, and then you're gonna have a business purpose statement that's going to flow out of that, and that's gonna direct how you grow your business and, and what you, what you move forward in, um, in that realm.

And then, and then. One of the huge ones, which I think an art argument could be made that either the mission, uh, statement or this one could be the most important, but, but getting really connected as a family and as a couple and, and knowing how to keep those relationships thriving at the same time that you're growing a business.

'cause as we talked about before, that. That business work can put pressure on family relationships and not just with you as a couple, but if you have children in the home, it's going to affect those relationships as well. When we stepped into entrepreneurship, uh, into full-time entrepreneurship, our youngest child was, uh, six or seven years old.

Seven, um, our oldest was 18. And so we had many years of, of active parenting left, and so we were stepping into that at the same time that you're experiencing all of the, you know, joy and challenges of parenting and bringing the kids along with that. And, and so if you are really connected as a family, and if you're really connected as a couple, your business almost can't fail. But

Hmm.

your marriage and family are gonna remain intact. And that's gonna be okay.

Yeah.

yeah. And one of the things that we talk about is building a business that without regret, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. So there's all these ways that, you know, we can do all kinds of things to build a successful business, but whenever we come down to the end of our life, what kind of regrets are we gonna have?

We wanna, uh, we want to encourage people to build their business in the right way, and just to walk down that pathway so that at the end. You're side by side as a couple, and you were building a successful business, but there's no regrets. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's great. You know, I, I talk a lot about couples and, and being on the same page financially. This takes it a step further that, uh, you guys are discussing here because. If you're in business together, um, I, I call these couples, couple entrepreneurs. They're in business together. Uh, but you know, their, their husband and wife, they're married at home and then, you know, their partners in business.

Um, you know, and there's all sorts of ways to set this up, as you guys have said. I think the, the important part is like knowing where, where are you, where are you in this process becomes a family business, which family businesses, quite honestly have been very successful. In the United States, they're some of the most successful businesses.

Um, they get a bad rap, but sometimes it, it's probably 'cause of communication roles, boundaries, all the things you guys have mentioned. So I think this is fantastic. Um, I, I did ask you, you know, earlier, but what do you think is the most important thing, um, having, I think you mentioned having a clear, um, margin focus here of just knowing what, what is your focus?

Why, why? Let, let you guys both maybe talk about this. Why is that the most important part of the framework?

So I think to start with it, to think about the word focus. Um, if, if I'm going one direction, Sue's going another direction, we're in trouble and we're in trouble as a couple, we're definitely in trouble as a business. So to keep that focus going, um. Whenever we, we focus in on that one thing that we are choosing to work on at that moment, we just see greater progress.

We see greater connection and, and things just work out much better. and just, and that word margin in there as well in that is making sure that we've got boundaries in life. That again, that we are not doing this at the cost of our relationship or the cost of, our children. Um. whenever we actually took the leap, uh, 12 plus years ago, it was not a great financial decision, to be honest with you. I left that day job because I needed that for, for my sanity. I needed that for my family. Um, I remember an evening whenever I was coming home from my job and it was. was late, it was dark. I knew that, but I was really disoriented, to be honest with you, because it was one of those situations where it was the winter and it got dark at four 30 or so, and I was like, late even is it?

You know? as I was driving home, I looked over at one of those time temperature things that at a local bank and it said 9:35 PM and I just thought, what am I doing? You know, I just started realizing the kids are in bed. Um. Sue had probably made a really good supper 'cause she always did. And it's in the refrigerator now I'm gonna have to nuke it. And I just, all of those things just hit me. And that was really kind of the thing where I realized I've got no margin in my life right now. And, and it is hurting our family, it's affecting our relationship. And so it wasn't the best financial decision at the time. Uh, overall it has been, but at the moment it wasn't.

But because of that. I was able during those very formative years for our kids spend hours and hours and hours with them. And, um, again, no regrets on, on that. Um, so that's what I would just say. Having that margin, having that focus is just so important. Yeah, he said it

Well said, well said. I mean, that's a mic drop moment. I. I think that is, uh, you know, based on all the research that I've seen and done with couples about couples coaching couples, uh, that are entrepreneurs, whether they're in business together or not, it's that same focus like I. If you have the focus in the same direction, you're gonna figure things out, right?

You're gonna be able to, um, you might not have everything, but you'll, you'll get there. But it's that drive. It's a, it's when couples start off or they enter, uh, business together, and then there's like, the one is in one direction, one's another direction. It's a matter of time that's gonna fall apart. It just really will.

So, I, I love what you're doing. I love how you're helping people. And I know there are a couples out there and business owners who are listening us going, yeah, yes, yes, yes. We need to have that. Um, what, tell me, give me a couple of ways right now. 1, 2, 3 ways that, uh, couple entrepreneurs, uh, you know, they're in business together.

They're working together, they're side by side. Maybe they're not as side by side as they need to be. Um, focus wise. Talk to us about what can they do to improve this? Focus, what are, you know, the first thing, the second thing, third things that they can maybe get started on right now.

Yeah, absolutely. So one of the things, I mean, we already mentioned that really the key is connection and communication is the pathway towards that. So one of the things that we do, and if it's okay with you, we'd love to give this set to your audience. We have a set of what we call connect cards. And it's basically just a little card that you pull out once a day and you ask a question and it takes less time than it takes to brush your teeth.

So you pro you brush your teeth every day. So just add this, I was just gonna add another two, minutes to your, to your schedule of the day and just ask the question and, and. Take the time to look each other in the eye and answer the question for each other. That right there is gonna begin to build connection.

And, um, and, and so those, that's the first thing that I would say. Did you have a second thing? So, yeah. The, the other thing, and it, we kind of go closely along with that, but that is to pray together as a couple. Yes. Um, I don't have the exact statistic in front of me, but it's something like. You know, we know that the, the divorce rate is really, really high, but it's something out of the number of people get divorced, like less than 2% I believe Will, will admit that they pray together, will say that they have, that they pray together on a regular basis.

So it almost divorce proofs your marriage. Right? and again, this is another thing, just like the connect connection time or connect cards, um, it can be a little bit awkward at the beginning. But awkward is okay. so I know that like Sue and I over the years, we have prayed together a lot, but we really have committed to it, I would say in the last couple of years.

Mm-hmm. On, I mean, if it, if we don't pray together at the beginning of a day, something is off. Yeah. Something is missing. Mm-hmm. And so fight through that kind of awkwardness at the beginning. And I'm primarily talking to you men out there. All right. With the connection and with the prayer time. Okay?

Because I know that guys, we have a tendency to kind of away from those type of things. They feel a bit awkward. I. You, you feel a bit off a little bit, but fight through that and I don't know, by the fourth, fifth, sixth time mm-hmm. It becomes much more natural. And after a few weeks of doing it, it's just gonna be, it's gonna be automatic and, and very easy to do.

But, but yeah, have connection time together and pray together. For sure. Yeah. And I think a third thing that you could do right now would be, um, set a time. We love to do it as a weekend getaway. If you can do that, awesome. If it has to be shorter than that, even if it has to be just a one day to get away from your normal space. It's gotta be away from your normal space. one, spend some time just sitting down and dreaming together and planning out what it is that, that you want to, to do in your business and in your life. Um, these things begin to get your juices flowing and they, they make the specific planning so much easier.

But, but spend some time, literally just give yourselves permission to just dream. Anything, whatever is appealing to you right now about what you'd like to do, either with your business, with your family, where you wanna be, um, with your, with your spouse. Um, what do you want your empty nest years to look like since that's what we're facing right now, what, you know, what do you want this next stage to look like?

Begin to do that so that. You like, I think, I don't know what it is. I, I, there's probably a scientific name for it, but it activates something in your mind and even in your body that just says, oh, now I know where we're going. And, and I'm, I'm creatively moving forward now as, because we've been through dry spells, we've talked about this not terribly long ago, and I said, don't even know what I want.

'cause I had kind of just stopped. too much about the future and, and just beginning to talk about that again was so important. So even though it's something that we preach, we can go through dry spells too, and I think that that is something that's been super important to us.

Again, well said. I love these, um, connect even if it's just for a minute or two.

Yeah.

about something different, unique. I like that my wife and I, we will connect at the end of the day. Um, for sure if we don't throughout the day, you know, you know, we were talking about working together and being parents together, but then if you put all, all, you know, two of those together and you work from home and your parenting and your working a business, like, welcome to the reality that a lot of us are facing these days.

Uh, but so we connect after dinner, we, we go for a walk around the block or two depending on how much, you know, time we need away and just talk about the day and connect. Um, two, pray together. We, we pray every morning. We pray every evening, and it is something that increases connection. So I, you mentioned that, and I've done a little research on this, and it tends to be the couples who also pray together.

Um, that's kind of the private religious activities. If they pray together, if they read and study scriptures together, um, that's the true. Um, variable. A lot of people like to say, well, do they go to church together? The problem with going to church together is that's an outside, that's a social event. And while that's good and I encourage it, um, if they go to church together and they come home and they never speak about God ever in their home, they've missed the point, the real indicators what's happening inside.

So I love that you mentioned that. And then third is, you know, go, go away. Get out of this space. Dream together. You know, that's, that's it. Um, John Gottman, Dr. Gottman. Done research with thousands of couples and find has found that when couples understand each other's dreams, that they will have a wonderful relationship as they turn and connect.

Right? He's all about the connection. He's all about getting couples to connect. Wonderful. I I, I love these ideas. Um, thank you for sharing them here today. If couples who are out there listening, couple entrepreneurs are like, yes, we need to be more side by side. We need to have a better, um, you know, 2, 2, 4.

We need to be able to really, um, make this business work better for us together as couples. Um, what resources, you mentioned, you know, some cards, but where, where would they go to either get those cards or to connect with you guys to help them improve? Um, on, on their 2, 2, 4.

Yeah. Um, to get those connect cards and that will, um, also be, they'll, they'll receive the email from us and they could always reply to the email at that stage, but it's side byside business.com/connect, so pretty simple.

I love it. Awesome. And then they can connect with you guys there and they can learn more about what, what you're all about. So thank you for, for being on the show. Anything else you guys want to add before we end?

It, it's been such a privilege to be on here, Dr. Perry. We really appreciate it and just the chance, we always enjoy the chance to just sit and talk about this, this thinking about the future and how do we, you know, really connect well as couples in the midst of growing a business. And so we love the opportunity to get to do that with you.

And then the fact that it's recorded, hopefully it will bless some other people too. I

All right.

everybody to. to work on building that dream business, but make sure that you do it in a way without re regret. And we think the best way to do that is side by side.

Yeah, absolutely. Couldn't agree more. You guys are amazing and your examples of it, you're here. You are side by side talking about these concepts and coaching people. You're wonderful people. Thank you for being on the Balanced Growth Show. And if you haven't already, listeners, go get my new book, Mary and Grow Rich, where we talk about specifically being side by side on your money situation to help grow your business and keep your marriage.

Growing as well. Thank you for this time and we'll see you on the next episode.

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